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 Regular readers of these pages will know my opinion of the "No Protestant" Parades Commission, but even I could not have expected this latest lunacy.


Press Release No.6 District LOL Ballymacarrett, Belfast County
 
Parades Commission Stoop to New Low
 
The so called Parades Commission have for a number of years tried and failed
to dictate to the Loyal Orders and the Unionist communities of East Belfast
how and when they would celebrate their culture.
 
The ‘newly revamped’ Commission have indicated their intention to increase
this jihad against the loyalist people of East Belfast, in an action worthy
of the Taliban religious police, by dictating that only the hymn tune
‘Eventide’ is allowed to be played!
 
While it is the recognisable tune to the great hymn ‘Abide with me’, what
have the Mullahs of the Parades Commission got against other hymn tunes? One
of the pillars of the Institution is our Reformed faith, to restrict an
expression of that faith by rules and regulations goes against the
principles and practice of religious freedom.
 
No.6 District are requesting urgent meetings with the Justice Minister,
David Ford, whose Department has been dialoguing with the Loyal Orders to
ensure fall out from the incompetence of the Parades Commission does not
manifest itself in public disorder and also the Secretary of State for
Northern Ireland who has responsibility for appointing the disaster that is
the Parades Commission.
 
Local Presbyterian minister and No.6 District LOL Chaplain Rev. Mervyn
Gibson commented; "Not only is their no rhyme nor reason to this decision,
the sad part is, at a local level, relations between communities have been
improving".

He added, "Sitting in their Windsor House ivory tower, the Commission are
fanning the flames of division and destroying the good work that many people
on the ground have invested time and energy in."
 
Note:-  The Service is the annual City of Belfast Loyal Orange Widow’s Fund
parade to Townsend Street Presbyterian Church, on Sunday, May 1.
Ballymacarrett District LOL No. 6 will leave Templemore Avenue at 2.15 PM,
and parade along Newtownards Road, Bridge End, Queen's Bridge, Ann Street,
Victoria Street, High Street, Bridge Street, North Street, Royal Avenue,
North Street, Millfield, Peter's Hill and into Townsend Street. The service
commences at 3.30 PM, after which the District will parade the same route in
reverse.
 
The music restriction applies to the length of the Newtownards Road from
Susan Street to the Bridge End flyover.
 
For further comment please contact Rev. Mervyn Gibson on 07801 34790.

I am pleased to report that this latest proof that the Parades Commission have lost their collective minds was ignored by our Brethren, and the Bands played a selection of well loved hymn tunes. The District Officers have been warned they could face prosecution. Bring it on, and let's see the idiots of the PC/PC justify this madness in court.  

                                                              

 Annual Boyne Anniversary Service 

On Sunday 25th July 2010, LOL 20 held their Annual Boyne Anniversary Service at the Ash Centre, Ash Hill Road, Ash, Surrey. The Service was conducted by the Lodge’s Assistant Chaplain, Right Worthy Brother Maurice Lawson HDGC. Praise was led by the Portsmouth Accordeon Band Ensemble. Brother Lawson chose as his text, 2nd Corinthians, Chapter 13, verses 1-13, and delivered a powerful sermon on this text. The attendance at the Service was unfortunately much lower than on previous occasions, but we give thanks to God for those members of the Orange Institution, and members of the general public, who chose to be there.

 

SPEECH BY DISTRICT MASTER DARRYL HEWITT AT DRUMCREE ON SUNDAY, JULY 4, 2010

 

On behalf of Portadown District LOL No 1, I would like to thank each and every one of you for your attendance at our Annual Church Service and Parade to Drumcree Parish Church.

Once again we find ourselves standing in front of this barrier preventing us from completing our traditional route from Drumcree Parish Church back to our starting point in Carleton Street.

As you are all aware this part of our Parade and Church Service has not been completed since July 1998. However, I must inform you that it is not without the District Officers of this fine District putting in a lot of effort and time seeking a resolution to the impasse. We will not be walking away from this place and I can assure you that we will continue to work hard to achieve what we desire.

Also to the Officers and Brethren of Portadown District can I, on behalf of the District Officers, thank you for your continued support and help over the years.

We attempt to complete our parade each and every Sunday – a fact that most people in Northern Ireland are not aware of – and there is a presence on the Hill every night. This has been the case since July 1998 when our late District Master Wor Bro Harold Gracey said that we would remain on protest until our rights have been restored.

Our resolve has not diminished over the weeks and months – no one should be in any doubt – Portadown District are in this for the long haul – we will not be deflected from seeking to achieve our objective.

One must ask the question “Why are still here this year?” After all the Chair of the Parades Commission stood at this place last Drumcree Sunday and stated that she would have the situation resolved by December.

We have met the Chair on at least three occasions this past year and in the end she admitted that they were not prepared to initiate any sanctions against the GRRC (Garvaghy Road Residents) for their prevarication. Not only that but the Parades Commission have allowed the GRRC to introduce a pre-condition to mediation, namely that we must withdraw Obins Street from our outward route.

You can imagine the outcry – from both the Parades Commission and the public – if we tried to introduce a pre-condition to mediation.

The spokesperson of the GRRC even attended the Parades Commission meeting last Wednesday – I am sure he was not even asked about the illegal parades he and his fellow travellers have taken part in over the past 18 months. How can the Parades Commission listen to any comments from a man who is on public record as saying that he will never apply to a British quango for permission to walk his streets?

The sooner the Parades Commission is dissolved the better – tomorrow would do!

It will be interesting to see what comes of the new arrangements for Parading in Northern Ireland. Portadown District is still reserving judgment on the new arrangements. When the new body comes into being you can be sure that the first issue to be dealt with is our parade from this place back to Carleton Street, whether that be in January 2011 or any Sunday between that and Drumcree Sunday 2011.

What about the Police? At a recent meeting with Senior Police officers in the area we were informed that if we did not submit an 11/1 for this parade then we would be arrested. Why has no one been spoken to regarding illegal parades that take place around Northern Ireland.

The stock answer is that the parade took place in a different command area of the Police, but we ask the question “Has anyone been arrested for taking part in the illegal parade on Easter Sunday this year in Armagh?” Of course not!

It seems to be that there is one law for the Nationalist/Republican community and another for the Unionist community. Surely this situation cannot and must not continue. Our politicians must see that the current situation is untenable and they must highlight the inherent inequalities at every available opportunity.

Speaking of politicians we should offer our congratulations to Bro S Anderson who is taking over from Wor Bro D Simpson as an MLA for the area. We offer Sidney our best wishes and look forward to working with him in as close a manner as we have, and - I am sure – will continue to do so with David.

As you are aware the notification for this Parade was only made last Sunday. Portadown District thought long and hard about whether to submit a form or not. The reasons we did so are already in the public domain and do not need rehearsed again.

Our basic instincts are to be a law-abiding people, but the authorities must realise that they can only push people so far or people will resent what is happening to them and turn people into law breakers. That would serve no purpose and it is not what we want.

We must never forget those people who keep the protest going on the Hill night by night throughout the year. To Arlene, David and to all the others a sincere thanks is due from Portadown District. There have been incidents on the Hill over the past years, but the resolve of those who maintain the protest has not diminished – in fact there is not a night goes past when the teapot is not on! Make sure that before you leave today you visit the hillside café and avail of the food on offer.

According to the determination we are to leave this place by 2.30pm today. However, on behalf of myself and the District Officers, may I request that you remain with us here as we do not intend leaving by the time an unelected quango has told us to leave by.

 

SF hypocrites have exploited Bloody Sunday dead

By ALEX KANE

Shortly  after David Cameron addressed the House of Commons last Tuesday, Kay Duddy - sister of the murdered Jack Duddy - stood on the steps of the Guildhall in Londonderry and called for a moment's silence "for all those who lost their lives during the Troubles". Fair enough, I thought, a decent thing to do in the circumstances.

Yet half-an-hour later she was posing for photographs with Martin McGuinness, the former commander of the terrorist organisation which had been responsible for either killing or injuring thousands of people before and after Bloody Sunday.

When the relatives had finished their speeches and soundbites, the cameras pulled back to show McGuinness, Adams and Sinn Fein's political and military hierarchy making their way through the back-slapping, hand-shaking, hugging crowd of friends, relatives and supporters of the victims. Sinn Fein was on home turf and knew it. They knew, too, that Saville's Report and Cameron's utterly unnecessary "apology" was a huge propaganda coup for them.

Later that evening, McGuinness was asked by Channel Four's Jon Snow about how the unionist community would be feeling after Saville: "What have they got? They haven't had £200m spent on an inquiry."

This is McGuinness's response: "They had a force which they regarded as their own force; the RUC, UDR, RIR and British Army, killing people on the streets."

It was during that same interview that he claimed that the Saville report was fine, apart from the references to him and a sub-machinegun!
By Thursday, Gerry Adams was at a news conference in west Belfast with the relatives of other people killed by paratroopers, demanding "a statement of innocence from the British government for those who died".
The talk has already started about a "truth commission", which is regarded by Sinn Fein as a stay-out-of-jail card for their members, while they build up the evidence of "wrongdoing" by the "occupying force".

Next it will be a demand for an inquiry into state-sponsored collusion, because for Sinn Fein it never, ever stops. There's always another sore or grievance to be dealt with. Always another manufactured ruse to put the "British state" on trial while portraying themselves as the downtrodden, rather than as the bloodstained oppressors they really were.

So they will have been delighted by Saville's view that "what happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland".

The Provisionals were armed and active at least two years before Bloody Sunday and would have remained so irrespective of what had happened that day.

Nationalists had already turned against the Army: don't forget that it wasn't a Civil Rights protest as such, but a banned anti-internment protest. By McGuinness's own admission, the IRA and protest organisers had been meeting before the event and "agreed" tactics. And the "catastrophe" for Northern Ireland was that successive British governments chose to open back-door channels with the IRA and undermine unionism, rather than commit to the total destruction of terrorism, the undermining of republicanism and the unambiguous promotion of the Union.

Let's be brutally honest about this: the IRA needs martyrs, be it from within their own ranks or, failing that, by adopting "victims" from within wider nationalism. The Bloody Hypocrites of Sinn Fein were happy to exploit the dead of Bloody Sunday in precisely the same way they exploited the hunger strikers a decade later.

Saville acknowledged that "those who organised the march must have realised that there was probably going to be trouble from rioters" and he also accepted that the IRA, including McGuinness himself, were in the area. None of this justifies what happened on the day, but it should serve as a reminder to Sinn Fein/IRA that they cannot absolve themselves from all responsibility for the outcome.

Which is why I found it so extraordinary that Sinn Fein/IRA should have chosen such a high profile presence on Tuesday, let alone why so many of the crowd and the victims' families welcomed them so warmly.
People were killed on Bloody Sunday because paratroopers believed - understandably in my opinion - that they might possibly be IRA members (as one of them, in fact, was). There was a powder-keg atmosphere in Northern Ireland at that time, an atmosphere the IRA was clearly and ruthlessly willing to exploit. So you can now bet your bottom dollar that dissident republicans will, in turn, exploit the findings of Saville to justify all future activities.

Quite why the leaders of the Protestant Churches decided to treat the people of the Bogside to a photo-opportunity and a waterfall of platitude is totally beyond me. Bloody Sunday had nothing to do with them, so why the desire to hand over trinkets as an act of some very peculiar form of solidarity? Their presence will be interpreted by some as an act of mea culpa and, like Cameron's apology, banked and deployed by Sinn Fein's propaganda machine.

Which brings me to that apology: why did Cameron make it? He was five years old in January 1972. Neither he nor his government bears any responsibility for what happened that day. Sinn Fein demanded an inquiry from Blair as one of the necessary prices to keep them in the peace process. All they wanted was a very public embarrassment for the British and a propaganda coup for themselves. Given the very brutal fact that the IRA deployed Bloody Sunday as a justification for new levels of terror and that the relatives of those killed were hardly vocal in their condemnation of the IRA's actions before, on, or after the day, it strikes me that Cameron should have stopped short of an apology - particularly one on behalf of "the government and country".

Bloody Sunday was a dreadful day - but not uniquely so. The methods used to kill were brutal, but no more so than methods used by the IRA themselves on similarly innocent people. The real tragedy of Bloody Sunday is that irrespective of the genuine grief of the relatives, it has been hijacked and abused by militant republicanism and Sinn Fein. Tony Blair should not have established the inquiry in the first place, and David Cameron should not have topped it off with an apology.

Move on, by all means, but let no-one forget the circumstances and context which gave rise to January 30, 1972; let no-one ignore the cold-eyed political opportunism and hypocrisy which drove Sinn Fein to support the apology and inquiry campaign; and let no-one allow our security forces to all be tarred with the same brush by those who hate them already.

 

OPEN MEETING AT LOL 20.

 

The last regular Meeting of LOL 20, held on Saturday 20th March 2010, was an Open Meeting, at which we had the pleasure of welcoming Jon Colville, Community Development Manager of Treloar’s Trust, our chosen charity for the next three years. I have always felt that the word “charities” was not an adequate description for those bodies which strive to raise money for a variety of causes through appeals to the public. Some of them no doubt are best described as “charities”, but for others I prefer the word “necessities”. We feel good when we give to charity. It gives us the feeling of having helped those less fortunate than ourselves. We pat ourselves on the back and say “I’ve done my bit”, and carry on with our lives. How much better would we feel if we knew we had given to a “necessity”. Treloar’s Trust is, I believe, one of those “necessities”. Anyone who wishes more information about the Trust can paste this link into their browser, http://www.treloar.org.uk, and read about the wonderful work they do on educating and empowering severely handicapped children and young adults.

 

Jon gave us an extremely insightful talk, illustrated by a short film, and then conducted a very full Q & A session. All in all it was a very worthwhile exercise and it was a pity that due to a variety of circumstances, work commitments, bad weather etc., more of our Brethren were not present.

 

Those who did attend also heard a talk by our Worshipful Master, Brother Peter King, on the history of the Loyal Orange Institution, and could view a collection of collarettes from all the Loyal Orders.

 

A very good day and the sort of Meeting we hope to have more of in the future.


 

 

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"Brixham Parade biggest to date as Brethren mark William's landing."

 

It was my intention to write a short report on this year's Brixham Parade but I can do no better than invite you all to read the back page of the Dec 09/Jan 10 edition of the "Orange Standard". The above is the headline from their very full account of the event illustrated with photographs of the Parade. Please obtain a copy and read this report. Suffice to say that this event is growing and so it should! As I never tire of saying the Landing at Torbay is a pivotal moment in British history. Without it we could have descended into despotism, Roman rule, and probably a bloody revolution a la France leading to a republic. With the Landing we have a Constitutional Monarchy, a Bill of Rights and (in the main), a democratic and accountable Parliament. The first Brixham Parade I attended we had two pipers leading us! The year before no band at all! Next year Plymouth District hope to have two bands. Please support this Parade which next year will take place on Saturday 6th November 2010. And while I'm at it let me congratulate Plymouth District LOL 64, and especially Brother Neil Young for all the work they have put in to make this Parade the outstanding one it has become.

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Well nicknamed Tony Bliar the truth about this unprincipled weasel is finally coming out as the rats who surrounded him try to coin some more cash. This from the BBC Website.

 
Blair 'wanted secret IRA talks'

Tony Blair offered to hold secret meetings with masked IRA leaders to try to save the Northern Ireland peace process, a former aide has claimed.

The ex-prime minister wanted to have talks with the IRA's so-called army council to persuade them to disarm and sign up to the political deal.

The claim has been made by Jonathan Powell, a former No 10 chief of staff.

Mr Powell said: "Tony was always convinced of the powers of persuasion that he had to win people over."
He added: "About three or four times he suggested to Gerry Adams that he should meet the IRA army council.

"Adams said: 'Well I'm not really sure about that'. One time he said:' Yes, maybe', but then it came to nothing."

Mr Powell made the claims about Tony Blair in his new book: Great Hatred, Little Room: Making Peace in Northern Ireland.

Interviewed by the Guardian newspaper, he said IRA leaders "could have worn masks" during the meetings with Mr Blair.

Mr Powell also told the Guardian: "Seamus Mallon's complaint is that we talked to Sinn Féin because they had the guns. My answer to that is: 'Yes and your point is?'
"We were talking to the people who had influence on the people with guns."

Mr Powell's book also claims Mr Blair offered a secret deal to Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams during the 1998 Good Friday Agreement to release IRA prisoners after one year. In public, Mr Blair only offered to release them after two years.
Mr Powell also claimed he held a series of secret meetings with Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams, often being driven around by republicans on lengthy detours to republican safe houses in Derry.
He further alleged that Mr Blair redrafted an IRA statement at Chequers in the presence of Mr Adams in 2003 and Mr Powell himself regularly drafted Sinn Féin statements.
 
He claimed Mr Blair was prepared to have a showdown with the British army over its initial refusal to remove watchtowers from the strongly republican South Armagh.
(A craven coward like Bliar have a showdown with the British Army! Who’s kidding who!)

His book also reveals the identity of the key IRA leader who decided republicans should disarm.
Powell, 51, served as Mr Blair's chief of staff from 1995 until he left Downing Street last year.

 

 

We are well rid of this sorry specimen who disgraced the office of Prime Minister held with honour by so many great men before him. The RC Church are welcome to him.

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This speech made in the House of Lords by Lord Tebbit, during the passage of the new legislation to accommodate the St Andrews Agreement, 22nd November 2006, only came to my attention some days ago. I make no apology for publishing an abridged version on this website even though it was made almost a year ago, not least to show that we still have friends in high places.

Lord Tebbit:
My Lords, I shall have some hard words to say about some aspects of government policy. I hope that the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, will understand that that does not affect my respect for him personally. I only wish that the Secretary of State could answer to this House rather than the unfortunate noble Lord, Lord Rooker, being left to carry the can. It should not be thought that I do not applaud and support what has been achieved to end the bombings and shootings, even if not yet the beatings and robberies, in Northern Ireland.
I was fascinated to read in the Daily Telegraph that animal behaviourists have discovered that chickens are not as stupid as we thought. It seems that they are not fooled into believing that something has ceased to exist when it is hidden from them. They know that it is still there but simply hidden. That brings me back to the IRA and why I will not in future pay the Government the compliment of calling them bird-brained.
The noble Lord, Lord Smith, reminded us of the amount of fudge that has had to go into persuading both the DUP and IRA/Sinn Fein that their wish lists have been granted, although they were completely and mutually exclusive. Back in the days when I had some experience of industrial relations at grass-roots level, it was always clear to me, when an agreement was drawn up that meant different things to the different parties, that it would be the basis for the next dispute. I fear that that has all too often happened in Northern Ireland.
Today, we are dealing with a Northern Ireland Bill, but our audience will spread well beyond that Province. We have to accept that this Bill is another stage in the relentless march of Sinn Fein/IRA into power in Northern Ireland-power which has been won by bombs and bullets because it could not be won by the ballot alone. As this may be-we hope that it will be-the last piece of Northern Ireland legislation in this House for a while, I hope that I will be forgiven for speaking for slightly longer than I normally do.
When we read the Hansard report of debates on Northern Ireland in the other place, we forget that, as usual, although Sinn Fein/IRA hold seats in that House, its Members never turn up to participate in the enactment of legislation. I suspect that there is a fairly strong message in that for us all.
I know that some will be muttering to themselves that my views on Northern Ireland are distorted by what Sinn Fein/IRA did to my wife. I must say that that annoys me. My views were formed long before 1984. What happened then did not distort but merely informed those views, as did the murders of my friends Airey Neave, the Member for Abingdon, the Reverend Robert Bradford, the Member for Belfast South, Tony Berry, the Member for Southgate, Ian Gow, the Member for Eastbourne, and many others from outside the ranks of parliamentarians.
Those who commissioned, authorised, planned and financed those murders and not hundreds but thousands more are now sanitised-almost sanctified-and are about to be put into office to govern Her Majesty's subjects in Northern Ireland. This morning the press is expressing its horror at the murder of a politician in Lebanon.
I said that what we say and do here will be heard outside Northern Ireland, and so it will. It will be heard by terrorists worldwide, and there is a lesson that they will learn: if you are dealing with the British Government, bomb and kill, then negotiate. If you do not get what you want, then bomb and kill some more. When you have it almost all, bargain the release of your bombers and killers for a ceasefire. Then threaten more bombing and killing if you do not get even more.
Unlike Alfred the Great's Anglo-Saxons, Tony Blair's new Labour pays Danegeld again and again and, as we have heard today, Sinn Fein/IRA is holding back still. Why is it holding back? If it is going to pledge that it will support the Police Service of Northern Ireland and the forces of justice, why does it not do that now? Why did it not do it yesterday or last week? Why is it pushing the Government along to slide through one deadline after another? I fear that that is because it asked for something more, and I fear that it will get something more.
Today we face not so much IRA terrorism-one hopes that we will not face that again-but Islamic terrorism. We rightly ask that imams true to the teachings of Islam condemn the terrorists who invoke the name of Islam to justify bombings and murders. On 11 November-perhaps a well chosen day-a newspaper published a picture, which I have here, of Mr Martin McGuinness, who is soon to be a Minister in Northern Ireland if the Government's plans go ahead, wearing his IRA gunman's uniform at the funeral of an IRA bomber. It seems that he has graciously given consent to the publication of this picture now, from which we might draw the inference that he thinks his past is no longer a threat to his future.
I come back to the superior intelligence of chickens. Something at that funeral was hidden from the camera, but it was there all right. It was a Roman Catholic priest conducting the burial service for a terrorist being buried on consecrated ground, having been granted a Christian service and absolution. He should have been excommunicated.
I have no animus towards the Catholic Church or faith-would that our bishops defended their faith with such courage as the Catholic Church does-but how do we expect an imam to condemn Islamic terrorists when he sees how Christian priests in a Christian country have sheltered, excused and supported Sinn Fein/IRA terrorists? The Government have done precisely the same.
I was speaking recently to my old friend Robin Chichester-Clark, one time Member for Londonderry, and the last Ulster Unionist to hold office at Westminster, whom a number of noble Lords will have known in the other place. I had the privilege to serve as Robin's PPS, which is how I became drawn into the politics of Northern Ireland well over 30 years ago. "May be", opined Robin Chichester-Clark, speaking of Her Majesty's Ministers, "they are cleverer than we think. The Labour Party has long been in favour of a united Ireland, but the majority in Northern Ireland would not give its consent. But if you can destroy the grammar schools without the consent of the people, if you can impose a catastrophically unfair system of property taxation on them, if you can impose on them a compulsory place in government for Sinn Fein/IRA murderers, perhaps even the staunchest Orangemen will look over the border to a more successful, lower-tax country, without gunmen in the Cabinet, and wonder what loyalty to the Crown has brought to Northern Ireland". He might have added: if you can impose on them the sexual orientation orders by which it seems a Christian priest would be at risk if he read out 22:5 of Leviticus or 18:22 of the Book of Deuteronomy.
I have two specific questions about the Bill. First, why does it not put funding for the Northern Ireland parties on the same basis as for the political parties in the rest of the United Kingdom? Why is it so essential that money from dubious sources in north America should be allowed to be recycled through the Republic of Ireland into the politics of part of this kingdom? We do not allow it anywhere else. What is so different?
Secondly, how will the Secretary of State know whether the pledges to support the police and justice systems, which we expect may be made, are honest? We must have our doubts. I understand that Mr Adams objects to MI5 operating in Northern Ireland. Must he recant on those remarks? Is it a requirement, understood in the pledge which will have to be made, that references to the police include references to MI5, or will a part of Her Majesty's Kingdom be off limits to MI5? Will the Secretary of State require Sinn Fein/IRA not merely to make an airy pledge, but to remove the bar which they currently have in place on witnesses coming forward to help bring to justice the killers of Omagh and the McCartney killers? If they do not remove that barrier, which currently prevents the prosecution of those responsible, what will happen?
I know-as the noble Baroness, Lady Scotland of Asthal, put it to me here the other day-that the people of Northern Ireland now enjoy something nearer to peace and normality than for the past 35 years and more. That is important and I know that, in some quarters, peace counts for more than principle. What is more, peace has brought jobs to Northern Ireland. If devolved government is established there, there will, most importantly, be jobs for politicians. If it is not, then the politicians in Northern Ireland-although happily not in Westminster-will lose their jobs.
Of course we are all in favour of peace, but at what price? Noble Lords in the Government and their right honourable friend the Prime Minister are in favour of peace in Iraq-which is why, I understand, we made war on that country. I have no doubt of their commitment to peace for the Iraqi people, even if they go about it in a funny sort of way. I accept that Ministers may think that the way in which Airey Neave, had he lived, would have gone about securing peace in Northern Ireland, and the way in which I would have gone about it if I had had responsibility, might be different from this Government's approach. Of course, that would be right.
This Bill will underline the truth of the old adage that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I hope that I am proved wrong.